Women Don't Have a Confidence Problem. We Have a Belief Problem.

In 1989, Dr. Fay Niewiadomski had 50 cents in her bank account, four kids, an abusive husband, and a job as a university dean in an active war zone. She looked at all of it and decided to start a business anyway. In this conversation, Fay and Lemon dig into why women are brilliant at living small, how bedtime fairy tales conditioned us to be silent and compliant before we could even read, and why the beliefs you accepted without questioning have become a mental prison you hold the key to. Fay shares the three pillars of real leadership from her new book, Decisions That Matter, and the question-asking technique that lets you disagree in any room without losing it. If you have ever stayed quiet because you wanted to be liked, this one is going to sting a little. Share it with a friend who needs it, leave a review, and tag us on LinkedIn.

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey friend, in 1989, Dr. Faye Nivia Domsky had 50 cents in her bank account. She had four kids under 18. She had an abusive husband who had drained the family finances. She was a dean at a university in Lebanon during the Civil War. So she was going to work in an active war zone every single day. Her mother had just died of breast cancer. And she looked at all that and made a decision. I'm going to start a business. Not because she felt ready, not because she had a safety net, not because she had permission or support or any of the things we tell ourselves we need before we do something big. She simply decided that failure wasn't an option. And then she actually did it. She built a consulting firm. She got her kids through school. All four of them ended up in Ivy League universities. She survived cancer herself. She has navigated being a woman, building something in a culture that was not set up for her to succeed. And at 78, she just published her first book about all of it. But here's what I think is wild. Dr. Faye always says that the hardest part of that whole journey wasn't surviving the Civil War or the cancer or business failures. The hardest part was learning to trust herself, learning that the belief system she'd accepted about who she was supposed to be, what she was supposed to do, what was possible for her. Those were all lies. She had to consciously choose to stop believing. And she has spent the last few decades helping other women figure out the same thing. And so we sat down this week and we talked about something that I am obsessed with. We talked about the fact that women don't have necessarily a confidence problem. We have a belief problem. We've been conditioned since bedtime stories to be small, to be silent, to wait for someone else to validate us or to rescue us. And then we spend our whole lives wondering why we're not getting what we want, not realizing that we're the ones actually stopping ourselves. In this conversation, Dr. Faye is going to walk us through how that conditioning works, why women are brilliant at living small, even when they're built for something bigger, and what actually has to change in order for you to step into your own power. I promise you, this is not some motivational fluff. It is going to be the real work. And I think it is going to shift something for you. Welcome back to the Well Live Society. I am so excited to have a very special guest on here, Dr. Faye Nivian Domsky. Did I say it right, Dr. Faye? Okay, you got it. Okay, we're doing our best. So everybody already heard your amazing bio, but I always like to start the show by asking my guest, what is something interesting or something we should know about you that I wouldn't get from your bio?

SPEAKER_00 2:32

I think what is interesting is that I have I describe myself as somebody who can fit in anywhere, and I come from nowhere. And the reason I say that is that I grew up in Jamaica, in the Caribbean, which is very far away from where I live now. I live in Lebanon. My parents were Lebanese. I lived in New York. All my children are the United States, scattered all over California, Florida, and New York. And I'm not quite sure exactly how I would define myself other than a cocktail of cultures. And I love that because what it does is it allows me to feel comfortable everywhere. What it doesn't do is allow me to fit into a neat little box, and that can sometimes be all coaster.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

Okay. I love this. I've heard some people describe themselves as global citizens or world citizens. And so I think I really love that. I love this idea of being so cultured and being able to fit in, but then also it is challenging when you don't fit nice and neat into a little box. I know that's not necessarily why you came on, but I would love to explore that. How do you navigate that when you it's like you can fit in, but you also don't fit in exactly? How do you navigate that?

SPEAKER_00 3:56

What it has done for me, and I'm not, it's not a prescription for anybody else, it has made me very alert and conscious of the fact of how important it is to understand who you're interacting with, understand the context in which they live. And you find that out sometimes with very strange experiences. I never knew that in some countries women do not shake men's hands. And I remember not knowing that and just going ahead and shaking the hand of this man in this meeting. And he was so mortified. I thought he was going to cut his hand off. He was so horrified that I did that. And I realized you really cannot take anything for granted. You need to be very observant of the environment you're entering. You need to realize that there is more you don't know than and that humility and humility blended with curiosity, where you want to learn about the people, where you want to understand what they like, what they don't like, what their boundaries are, and understand that comes from and interact with it rather than judge them and say, I'm right, they're wrong. It's just different. And I believe that kind of sensitivity to how other people perceive the world and the curiosity of wanting to find out and to understand and relate to them. I can say that has saved my life in very dangerous situations because it taught me to step back and observe, watch where I'm putting my foot down, watch what I'm saying, watch who I'm talking to. And I think that's an extremely important part of leadership. Many leaders assume that they know best, and they become rather prescriptive and they begin to tell people what they should and shouldn't do. And that immediately creates distance, dampens communication, and absolutely doesn't create a bond of connection between human beings because they're talking at each other, not with. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

I love everything that you just said. I understand because even moving from the northeast to the south, the expectation is completely different. And there's a lot of men who don't know how to take me. And it's shifting now. In 2026, it's shifting a little bit, but there's still a lot of it's very old boys club down here. And so navigating that is different. The way I show up, it has to be a little different depending on who I'm speaking to, the values that I know that they hold. And so I would love to. Do you feel like it's ever hindered you as a woman, especially in leadership development, to then be in rooms where maybe your opinion isn't valued as much, or you have, or do you have to approach it differently to get the point across? Or I would love to kind of hear your experience with that.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

That's a fascinating area to explore because as we go through life, our beliefs change, our understandings change, and therefore our relationships change. And as long as we accept beliefs without questioning them, we have put ourselves into a mental cognitive prison. And that is what hinders us. We make false assumptions about where power lives. Power lives with us, but we just don't recognize it. And in my book, Decisions That Matter, and one of the motivations was you have the power of choice, you have the power of decision, you always have that. And until you become fully conscious of who you are, what are the boundaries that you have restricted yourself in because you've accepted certain beliefs or you've accepted certain rules, and that limitation is something that's self-imposed. You have the key. And that key is becoming aware of who you are, aware of your values, aware of who you want to become as a human being, and having the confidence to learn that noncompliance may be the path to becoming who you really want to be. Many people never develop enough confidence and courage to break out of that, and particularly women. I do a lot of work with leadership for women. And I'm astonished at how fragile their self-confidence is and their self-image is, because they want love and acceptance. And of course we all want love and acceptance. It's a human survival impulse that we all have. But at what cost? And what's the trade-off? And do we stop and ask ourselves, am I willing to trade off my identity in exchange for some kind of false belonging? And that's what I explore in depth in my book that says decisions that matter, how to rethink, reimagine, reset your life because we have power. We just never use it because we're not aware. We think there's somebody who's going to give it to us. We need permission, that we need acceptance. There is never going to be a time when everybody loves us. It will never happen. And therefore, recognizing who we are and getting comfortable with that and feeling okay is really the pathway to that, creating that inner equilibrium, that serenity that allows you to sit with yourself and be at peace and to select relationships based on what exactly is the quality of that relationship and what it is that particular connection means. It's no universal, we're not a universal adapter plug that you take with you when you travel. It's our ability to really look outside of ourselves, to really observe the context, to be interested enough in the person in front of us to want to engage. And that changes everything.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Wow. Okay, there is so much that you talked about in here. I'm like, man, I already know I want you on for another episode because there is so much we could dive into, especially with women and leadership and this idea of being accepted and loved. It's stifling our voices. And I know you talked about too earlier, just also sometimes we have to out of a necessity for safety. And it's very interesting, right? In the brain, our brain can't distinguish somebody not liking me versus being chased by a bear. It's the same, it's the same fight or flight in our body. And so it's so interesting to be in spaces where a man is mortified that you shook his hand and it would elicit the same emotional response and response in the brain as if I say this, somebody is not going to like me. And so I just think that is such an interesting concept. Women do tend to stifle themselves for that. And I do wonder if it's some part in relationship to a safety thing, a protection for ourselves that we've developed over time is to be docile and agreeable and people pleasing and everything, because it's safe for us to do so in that regard.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

You're spot on with that because we have been conditioned. I have recorded an audio called Imposter Fashion on the Cinderella story, where if you look at the fairy tale, especially the traditional fairy tales that children get told at that time, just before you fall asleep, you actually slip into a natural hypnotic state. And when you when these stories are being read to you by a parent, by a loving, supportive parent, it's coming from a trusted source. And the stories place the little girls in these stories, you never hear their voice, they never fight back. They are highly compliant. And if you wanted to dissect it with cold brutality, they're traded. This beautiful daughter, this beautiful little Snow White or Cinderella is traded. And when she falls into a long sleep, when Snow White falls into a long sleep, she was given the poison apple by the cruel stepmother. Again, the evil is coming from the old woman. The girl goes unconscious, but how does she get back? It's when the charming prince kisses her and she comes back to life, and the dwarfs betrayed her. She's given away. She doesn't you don't hear a peat out of her. When little girls in the fairy tales misbehave like Little Red Riding Hood or Goldilocks, they face mortal danger. We have been conditioned, we have been absolutely uh brainwashed into accepting this as normality. Who is the protect protector, the authority figure to whom we submit? When we don't, we're punished, our life is threatened. There's the big bad wolf, and it's the woodcutter with his axe that comes and saves us. So over and over you you look through those stories in literature, you look at the references, you look at the adjectives used to describe women, and you will find that we are praised for being beautiful, for being silent, for being youthful, not for wisdom, not for courage. There are instances in mythology where you have the courageous in Greek mythology you have the goddess artwiss, but the predominant description is docility, obedience, compliance, and those are the ones who are praised.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

I yeah. Okay, so this has me thinking about, and every time I think about this concept of women being so docile and silent, and you're praised for your beauty and all these things. And you're right, in the stories, it's women who have aged who are the evil ones, right? Women who have aged naturally are evil. It's always an old witch, a stepmother or something. But I look at because that comes from somewhere, and I almost look at this now as what are women capable of doing if we believed in ourselves? Because why are all of our fairy tales about us being docile and small, why are policies in many countries meant to stiple women? I know I think it was Afghanistan just post they passed a law now that women are not even allowed to go to the market anymore by themselves. You are not allowed to, I think it was just a couple days ago, you're not allowed to go to the market anymore. And if a merchant sells to a woman in Afghanistan, they face imprisonment. And so women really, that was their only kind of outlet, really, before after they took away education and everything. And so there is this fear around collectively, globally, I think, around what women are capable of, which makes me so sad. Then when I see especially women in countries like the United States or in European countries where you do have freedom and you do have the ability to use your voice to then let this misogynistic viewpoint of women stifle us from doing what I think we're capable of doing if we actually just believed in ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

Yes. In many cultures, you have very explicit legal limitations or religious limitations on what women can and cannot do. In other countries, it's far more subtle, or we say there is equality, and we take the but look at the astonishment this person has done and it's a woman. What's the underlying assumption when you s when you apparently are praising someone who has achieved something extraordinary, and you find it more extraordinary or notable because it's a woman? The underlying assumption is that's not the norm. And so the belief hasn't the deeper level of belief hasn't changed. It's just not a physical limitation. You can go to a university and you can study. One of the chapters in my book is competence is genderless. And if you look around the world and you look at how many monuments in cities around the world, famous cities around the world, how many of them are dedicated to women heroes? You might find mythological figures holding a sword or something or an ego. But if women are portrayed in public places and city squares and towns, it's usually as an extension of the male hero. And the heroes we have in our markets that people see, and you have this peripheral subliminal learning that we take in unconsciously. The hero is a warlike male, is an alpha male. That's who can protect you. That's who the leader naturally is. And if it's a if there is a woman leader, it's a source of astonishment. Or the other thing, a source of ridicule or really bad jokes and bad tastes.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Yes. Okay, so I just was at what was it, maybe a year ago, we were doing something with Junior League, and they shared a statistic that blew my mind. There are in the United States more statues dedicated to dogs in the United States than do women. Yeah. Dogs. I can believe it. It's terrifying. And I think women, especially some of the messaging, we tend to take some of the civic work that we do and the volunteering that actually change the advocacy work that we do or the leadership roles that we hold, and we're very dismissive of them. Because it's very interesting, because what we're talking about is it's not it's outside of the norm, right? When people say, Oh, a woman did this, or I know I just did an interview for something. And I had a lot of questions about my capabilities as a woman. How are you able to be a mother? How are you able to going back to graduate school? They're like, How are you getting all these things done and balancing and juggling? And I'm like, would you have asked my husband that? Probably not. And so there is this underlying, are you capable type of conversation that I think is happening? And so then we're conditioned with this. And I think as women, we know that we're capable of doing a lot. We can be wives and mothers, and we can make really terrifying decisions like you've had to make out of necessity. And we are so much more capable than people get us credit for. But the societal messaging is that we are dismissive of our accomplishments and the amount of roles we can hold and how we're able to do it well. I always joke with my husband. I'm like, there's a reason men were the first draft and women were the second. So I'm like, I'm like, God, fix some things. And I was like, these women are very capable. And so it's very interesting when I I literally just last week had that experience where people were astonished that I'm able to do so much as a woman and still be present for my family and all these things. And so that language is very prominent still.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

Think about how the legal system, the employment system, social system doesn't support women who belong to the 21st century or who are even in the 20th century. One of the most difficult jobs on earth is to be a good parent, to be a good mother, because I think mothers spend more time because of the limitations, because of the relationship, because of the biological connection with children. And I think the greatest leadership lessons we learn come from parenting, conflict resolution, supply chain, home management, economics, budgeting, all of those things we learn when we are managing our home, our families. And we get penalized for that when we go back to work. So if you take a year or two years off and you've been parenting, but it doesn't mean that your brain has atrophied, you're still reading, you're still learning, you're still doing stuff you haven't let go. When you go back to your job, you're penalized. It's as if they assume that because you were parenting, somehow you have lost a part of your ability, your competence, and they set you back. Why? In fact, I would say. We should be recognized and rewarded for going through the kind of challenges that it takes to be an effective parent. It's a tremendously challenging job. We learn a lot from doing that. And I see a lot of people who call themselves CEOs behaving like three-year-olds. So I don't see why we wouldn't get credit for knowing how to handle those kinds of situations.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Oh my gosh, I agree. I definitely have seen. I just was telling somebody I had an experience at my last real corporate job where men literally threw a tantrum and graffitied all over my office because they didn't like what I had to say. So they threw a legitimate tantrum. And I was like, this is like dealing with children. And yes, I just did an episode on this on how we can use our volunteer experience and other things that we're doing to change careers or to make career pivots or whatever it is we're trying to explain a gap on our resume. I'm like, if you're volunteering and you're handling the budget for a nonprofit, those are a lot of skills that you have. And so you should lead with these skills that you have acquired. Because, like you said, our brain doesn't just atrophy. We don't become vegetables when we suddenly become parents. I think we actually take on more skills, more responsibilities. Our time management skills get better. Everything I think gets better when you are an active and involved parent. And yet, you're right, as society, we tend to shun that experience, which disproportionately impacts women, of course.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

We accept that as women because think of what happens when someone is writing their resume and they are looking at how do I explain this one year or how do I explain this two years? I was out of work. And why should we need to explain it? Why shouldn't we be able to say what we learned and gained in this time and how that would transfer to the corporate world, limiting choices, resolving conflicts, managing very scarce time and doing many things because you have to be super organized to be able to do all the things you're doing? If you're studying and working and managing your home, and I think we don't speak up enough about that. We accept that somehow we've done something wrong and we need to explain and justify. Why are we surprised that birth rates are down everywhere in the world? Yes, it yes, it is.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

I see a lot of things are declining everywhere in the world, which is terrifying, actually. Dr. Faye, I have I didn't ask a single question that I had prepared because I was just so enamored by you and how you started this. I'm gonna have to bring you on again for sure, because there's actual questions that I had prepared that I wanted to ask you. But I would love to talk a little bit about your book and just some of the processes. I know you mentioned this genderless competence and things like that. And I would love to hear a little bit about the book, why you wrote it, how you arrived there. I would love to hear about it.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

My book is called Decisions That Matter because one of my favorite quotations is Heraclitus saying, character is destiny. And the path to that destiny are the decisions and choices we make. And I believe we mix up the two. For me, a decision is something strategic, it's a direction that you're going to go in. Whereas a choice is something tactical. Am I going to go left or right? And understanding the difference between those two things requires first decisions relate to who you are and who you want to become. And we get so confused as we go through life by being told what to do, how to do it, by being evaluated on the basis of right and wrong, and you've passed and you haven't passed. So we we get conditioned in this world where you've got to get 100 and you've got to pass, and so on. So the idea of somehow getting it right becomes, in my opinion, something crippling that limits our ability to think because and so many, particularly women, more than men in my experience, want to achieve this perfection, to the point that when they're asked in an interview, what is a weakness you have, and they say perfectionism, but they're not saying it because they recognize it as a weakness. They're saying it as a something that they're showing off. But what we don't realize is how that erodes our confidence. Whenever you set that as a goal, it's a moving target that you can never achieve. And what can we feel when we have a target that's unachievable, except a sense of failure, a sense of not being good enough. So we're constantly eroding that capital that should be building our confidence because we don't seem to be able to get it right. So one of the things I wanted to say in my book is that we have the power of choice and we need to understand what that means. The second thing is we need to understand what beliefs we have taken on board from family, from parents, from education that have could become a cognitive prison. And we need to free ourselves from those by examining which ones serve us and which ones don't. None of us know what's right and wrong. We know what works, we know what supports us, we know who we want to be, we know that a certain step on the this path will take me to my destination. And having the courage to go into that self-discovery, knowing who you are, knowing what matters. What did I really want to do when I was much younger? What did I dream of? What happened to those dreams? Where did they evaporate? And when did I become this people pleaser that lost herself? So I talk about the three pillars of real leadership, and that's competence, making sure that you absolutely are competent, that you know what you're doing, that you constantly learn and evolve because things become obsolete very fast, especially in today's world. So you need learning is a superpower that you need to keep cultivating no matter what age you're at, because your brain remains active and agile if you use, just like your muscles remain agile if you use them. The second thing is courage, because you may know what's right and you may be very competent, but you don't dare to take a decision that you know you should because you don't want to suffer rejection, you don't want to be unloved, so you comply, you submit, and then you become a very unhappy person because you're not aligned with your own values. And you will develop psychosomatic illnesses from that constant misalignment. This is not who I really am, but I need to comply. And the third piece is compassion, and the first person you need to be compassionate towards is yourself, recognizing that you're human, forgiving yourself for not achieving perfection, not being right, because it's an unachievable, ridiculous, unrealistic goal. You need to get rid of that belief that has limited you. And so my book goes through this journey of how to get to the point where you find the key to unlock that mental prison you've been living in and free yourself to become who you want to be without trying to fit the template prescribed by somebody else. And what defines us think on the spiritual erosion we suffer from commercialization and monetization of everything. It's not a coincidence that the weight loss drums have been blockbusters. It's not a coincidence that anti-aging creams and colorings they're preying on our feeling of inadequacy. If if you're not looking quite right, if you're not the right size, if you're not the right shape, if you're not the right color, you're not good enough. People buy whitening creams that are disastrous for their skin because they just want to get a few shades lighter. That's so sad that these feelings of not being good enough have become sources where people can leverage that sense of inadequacy and that sense of not being good enough to capitalize on selling us products and services, which don't work. So it's that desire to say, do not give your power away. Recognize that only you are in a position to s to take charge of your life. No one can give you power because no one has it to give away. It's only when you recognize that you you have that power of choice that you can make your own decisions, that you discover who you really want to be, whether you want to stay at home and not work or become a rocket scientist. It's your choice. And neither of these choices are superior to the other. But getting there takes a lot of, as I said, competence, courage, and compassion, and not looking at other people, not saying I want to be like someone else. No, be like yourself. Because that's the only time you achieve that peace and serenity. And that's why I wrote the book, the front of my book has a phoenix on the cover. And the reason I have the phoenix is because I have had to recreate myself after so many disasters. And I know it's possible. It's possible if we are determined to remain alive, to remain active, to become the best version of ourselves that we can, and to be compassionate of the people, to try and understand them, to learn about the world rather than being in a limited little world where we judge others and imagine that somehow that gives us a sense of superiority. So my book was really a book about people daring to be themselves and doing it with courage and with a full heart.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Wow. Okay, Dr. Faye, you are just amazing. You're amazing. Like I said, I feel so bad. I had a list of questions. I wanted to talk about your backstory, but I'm like, I'll be here another two hours. And I don't want to keep you that long. So we're I have to have you back because your story is so fascinating and just everything you've walked through to get here and this reinvention of yourself over and over. I've no I've done it several times where I've had to start over again in new states, new cities, new people, new everything. I know you've done it with countries. You've just moved all around. So your move has definitely been bigger than mine, but I cannot tell you how much I value and appreciate your insight. And just this conversation today, I don't know if that's where we were planning on going, but it was, I'm just so valuable. I know I will probably go back and listen to this several times because it's something, especially as a woman, I'm constantly working through and making sure I'm showing up as the best version of myself. And that I'm am I staying silent because the room dynamic is weird, or am I doing it because I'm scared and I want people to like me? And so that is something I'm always working with myself. And so I really appreciated this conversation. Dr. Faye, how can people either work with you, find you? I'm gonna link to your book so they can go get it. I'm encouraging everybody who's listening to go buy it and read it, please. Especially because most of you are women listening to the show. And so I think this conversation was really important. So, where can they connect with you, Dr. Faye?

SPEAKER_00 34:26

Love for them to connect with me on LinkedIn. I am on Instagram where I share some reels and they can they can listen to little snippets of other interviews I've given. Recently, the my Instagram also appears on Facebook, and I am building a substack. In fact, tomorrow we have a Zoom discussion on decision making and identity. And I can send you all of these links in an email after this call, but it would be great to explore further. I would love to answer the questions you had prepared because it's for me, I am fascinated by getting to know other people, their world, what they think, how we can open windows for each other, and the fact that people are really the barriers we create in our mind are fictitious barriers. And breaking through those so you really connect with other people is what would get rid of the fear of being in a room where you think if I really said what I wanted to say, would people get offended and should I remain silent? Learning to ask the right questions is more important than finding answers because that's one of the tools that we can use, especially as women, to change people's thinking. Someone attacked me by saying, that's elitist thinking. And I said, You might be right. Please explain to me what is the opposite of elitist thinking. I didn't deny, I didn't defend, but by necessity that person had to think. What is the opposite of elitist thinking? Is it not thinking? And then that and that person went to AI and got some kind of a silly answer. And I went back and said, Thank you for the lesson. I appreciate it, without sarcasm, and I do wish you a very happy life. But when you talk about compassion, this is a person who is terrified of having any of their beliefs challenged, and someone who is concerned that they're not good enough. And so seeing someone who is articulated or explaining a thought that they disagree with, they see these people as a threat. And so, what do we do when we perceive a threat we attack? Now, if you attack back, all you do is give that person every reason to confirm that their bias was correct. So what you touched on when you said, What do I do when I'm in a room and I disagree? Learning to communicate with impact, learning to ask powerful questions, learning to assess where people are coming from. So you can say what you need to say without causing offense, because you will have more success that way. And even if people don't answer you because they don't have an answer, that thought will stay like in their mind and they will keep trying to figure it out. But you would have made a little difference rather than defending, because then all they do is come with a counter defense and convince themselves even more. But the point is there a halfway, is there a place in between where we can meet when we ask questions and we get interested in what does it mean and why are you offended by initist thinking? What did that mean to you? Because I don't know, but obviously it caused offense to this individual.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

I love this advice. That was such good advice for the women listening, just to ask very powerful questions and get curious. That is something my husband and I talk about all the time. I will never win anybody over by defending myself or attacking their beliefs or their thought patterns. It'll never work. And like kindness and compassion go a very long way for getting the results that you were hoping to achieve and just getting to know people. I have friends who do not think in any way, shape, or form the way that I do, or look the way I do, or have a lifestyle the way I do. And it's so interesting all the time. I am on the phone with them way longer than I should be because I just want to know how did you get here? Why do you think this way? What has been your experience? I genuinely want, I was a journalist before I ran my own business. And so naturally I want to ask people questions. I'm very curious about people, but it has made my relationships with other people who are so different from me so strong because I have such respect for them and I understand why they think and feel the way that they do. And so I that's incredible advice that you just gave. I appreciate that so much.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

I would lovely talking to you. And I certainly would love to have another conversation whenever you're ready.

SPEAKER_01 39:32

Absolutely. I'm going to email your team after this so that I can tell them to book you again so I can we can deeper dive on the things that I really was excited to bring you on for. But this conversation was just so rich. And I just I thank you so much for this. I think the women listening are going to love this. So again, just thank you so much for being here, Dr. Faye. I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_00 39:55

Same here. I will send you an email with the link for tomorrow's discussion, although it might be we're running a full program on that, but getting in getting connected to LinkedIn, Instagram, and so on.

SPEAKER_01 40:08

Perfect. I will have all of that linked for you all in the show notes, and we will see you next time.